Using Natural Substances to Treat Depression and Bipolar Disorder

Dr. Raymond Forbes, D.M.D. (Doctor of Dental Medicine). I graduated from Washington and Jefferson College with a B.A. in Biology and the University of Pittsburgh School of Dentistry in 1967. I practice general dentistry, nutritional analysis and functional orthodontics. I studied with Melvin Page D.D.S. in the early 1970's for a period of 3-4 years. During this period and subsequently he trained over 275 physicians and dentists in his technique. Dr. Page died in 1983 at the age of 93.

I began teaching Dr. Page's technique about five years ago and have trained physicians, dentists, chiropractors, naturopaths and patients from all over the world. I am working on an internet course for the more distant students and am writing one book on diabetes and another on cancer as related to the Page technique. These books will emphasize the fact that the model of medical treatment has to change not only to reduce healthcare costs but also to make significant advances in the treatment of these and other diseases. I have written:

The Hormone Mess and How To Fix It and
A Magic Bullet Cure For Depression and Manic Depression, and
Parent Screen.

Questions and Answers

by Trung Nguyen

What are nutritional analysis and functional orthodontics?

Nutritional Analysis -At my office this includes dietary recommendations, Page Body Chemistry Balancing, and the use of digestive aids and necessary whole food supplements. Different practitioners have different systems. I recommend The Page Fundamental Food Plan which is listed on the net. The Page system consists of body measurements to determine your inherited glandular pattern and the use of glandular supplements to optimize blood chemistries in order to treat and prevent disease. After glandular balance is achieved I use the acoustic cardiograph which was originally developed by Royal Lee D.D.S. . It was improved by George Goodheart D.C. . It indicates which digestive aids and whole food supplements to use. I prefer Standard Process Supplements for this phase of treatment..

Functional Orthodontics is also called orthopedic orthodontics and it involves the widening of the dental arches to their optimal width and also repositioning of the mandible for optimal occlusion. Sometimes removable appliances are used and sometimes fixed bonded brackets are used to final position the teeth. Many times the teeth are allowed to function in occlusion during the straightening process. The technique usually does not involve the extraction of permanent teeth.

You studied with Melvin E. Page, DDS (Doctor of Dental Surgery) in the 1970s. Who was Melvin E. Page and what did his research involve?

He was a dentist, specifically a prosthodontist. His father was a physician who died when Page was a young boy. Page was the recording secretary of the D.C. Jarvis Study Club a noted family physician and author of the book Folk Medicine. Page was a disciple of Westin Price D.D.S who wrote Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. He expanded on Price's work. Page determined that the calcium/phosphorous ratio and sugar on a controlled was a determinant of glandular balance.

Page studied 25 healthy nurses in Michigan with no tooth decay or fillings and found that on a controlled diet the Calcium / Phosphorous ratio is 2 1/2:1 ie Calcium 10, Phosphorous 4, blood sugar 85. He also studied diabetic patients whose blood sugar was controlled and found the same ratio. He concluded that this ratio is an indicator of glandular balance. Ideal glandular balance produces this ratio. He used the ratio to determine the correct supplements and the correct dosage of each supplement.

Can you provide a synopsis of your book, The Hormone Mess and How To Fix It?

This book provides an overview of the Page technique. Page's major books were Degeneration/ Regeneration, Your Body Is Your Best Doctor, Body Chemistry In Health and Disease. My book is my attempt to simplify Page's work for the general public, The measuring technique is described so each reader can measure himself or herself and determine their own inherited glandular pattern and learn what degenerative diseases they will be susceptible to. They can then see the treatment protocol that Page would use and what he looked for when balancing body chemistry.

You’ve also written A Magic Bullet Cure For Depression and Manic Depression. Can you also provide a synopsis of that book?

This book is also based on Page's work. In 1975 he wrote an article on the posterior pituitary gland and manic depression and distributed it to his students. This was long after his books had been written and it doesn't appear in his books. It describes how posterior pituitary gland deficiency is associated with manic depression and how supplementation with this glandular substance cures it. I checked it on a few of my dental patients who were certified bipolars and it worked, hence the book. Page found that 88% of women and 39% of men have some deficiency of the posterior pituitary gland. This is one of his most important discoveries. I have taken posterior pituitary for almost 40 years and my two sons also now take it.

I also wrote Parent Screen as a corollary test to Teen Screen developed by Columbia University. Teen Screen is controversial because it is subjective. Parent Screen is an objective test of posterior pituitary gland activity that any parent can use with their child. It can validate or disprove any Teen Screen results. It will soon be on I might add that the medical community and the psychological community has never once even acknowledged this work and it is a miracle benefit for patients.

What is the posterior pituitary gland and a posterior pituitary gland deficiency?

Page developed a set of anthropometric or body measurements to determine the activity of the various endocrine glands. The system gives a very accurate and quick assessment of one's inherited glandular pattern. One such gland is the pituitary gland which is also called t he master gland. It sits at the base of the brain and is about the size of a pea. It has an anterior and posterior lobe. The posterior lobe secretes oxytocin and vasopressin. Page found that this portion of the gland opposes the adrenal cortex. After measuring over 4,000 patients he concluded that the posterior pituitary is under active in cases of depression and manic depression.

In classic manic depression it is extremely under-active. With an under active posterior pituitary gland it allows the adrenal cortex to over-function. This is why there are increased cortisol levels in cases of depression. Page found that the proper dosage of posterior pituitary supplement corrects both depression and manic depression.

You’ve commented that, “To imply that bipolar is not a chemical problem is just as much a travesty as failure to make the diagnosis.” Can you elaborate or this? Is this implying that a chemical imbalance does exist but the way to correct it is through dietary supplements?

Bipolar in my opinion is a chemical imbalance namely a deficiency of oxytocin and vasopressin. These are the chemical secretions from the posterior pituitary gland and they are supplied by giving posterior pituitary glandular product which is a glandular supplement. Not just one of the chemicals but both. It is much the same as being hypothyroid. Unfortunately, when you are hypothyroid they just give you T4 in the form of synthroid. Page always always gave natural thyroid, the whole gland . This way you get T3 and Calcitonin, a better treatment. It is also available in very small dosages 1/50 grain, 1/4 grain. 1/2 grain qnd 1 grain. Unfortunately today most endocrinologists are just trained in the use of synthroid, a synthetic product. If Page's treatment didn't work the Calcium/Phosphorous ratios would not improve but they do when you are on the correct dosage of posterior pituitary.. This is the proof.

What is the relationship between the posterior pituitary gland and bipolar disorder?

Page developed a set of anthropometric measurements of the arms and legs that correspond to various endocrine glands. From the measurements he could make a quick and accurate determination of how the posterior pituitary, anterior pituitary, thyroid, and sex hormones are functioning. In 1975 after his books were written he wrote an article on the posterior pituitary gland. Under-functioning of the posterior pituitary gland causes depression and hypo-mania and extreme under-functioning causes classic manic depression.

Furthermore he found that supplementation with micro amounts of posterior pituitary gland corrects these problems. The deficiency of this gland also causes frequency of ion, essential hypertension, spontaneous abortion, and difficulty in becoming pregnant, osteoporosis, periodontal disease, is a factor in alcoholism. He found that 88% of women and 39% of men have some deficiency of this gland.

What is “balancing body chemistry” and how is it achieved?

Melvin Page, D.D.S. (Doctor of Dental Surgery), coined the terminology "balancing body chemistry" He applied it to his method of treatment. He found that you could fall within the normal ranges on a blood chemistry and still get serious degenerative diseases.

His blood tests were only taken after you have been on a controlled diet for three days and a 12 hour fast. He checked the Calcium / Phosphorous ratios which should be 2 1/2:1 i.e. calcium 10, phosphorous 4 or in that ratio. Ideal blood sugar is 85. Based on his anthropometric measurements he knew what glandular supplements to use to optimize your balance. For example, if you are determined to be low in posterior pituitary and your ratio is Calcium 10 Phosphorous 2.5 and you take a little posterior pituitary and your ratio goes to Calcium 10 and Phosphorous 3.5, then you need that supplement. Several blood tests are used and various supplements are tried until you achieve ideal balance. This is the Page system of balancing body chemistry.

Dr. Page and his colleagues found a common link between healthy teeth and degenerative diseases. What is this common link?

Page found that individuals with ideal calcium/phosphorous ratios and ideal blood sugar levels had no cavities or periodontal disease. Today fluoride treatment can mask the decay rate but periodontal disease is always an indicator of body chemistry imbalance. Often the phosphorous will be high relative to the calcium ie calcium 10, phosphorous 4.2. In this case there will be soft teeth and bone loss and even acute arthritic conditions. This adverse calcium/phosphorous ratio can be reversed with the proper glandular supplementation. I see this all the time even in young children.

Implications from Page's work. I believe that the current model of medical treatment has to change. Body chemistry balancing should be the first form of treatment and prevention for most diseases. These include mania, depression, obesity, arthritis, high and low blood pressure, cancer, arthritis, periodontal disease, type 1 and type 2 diabetes, osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease. Not only would medical costs decrease but all individuals would be decidedly healthier.

Westin Price claimed that people who were sick had abnormal calcium values. Page determined that it was the ratio of calcium to phosphorous that was important. Discovering the ratio is like the Rosetta stone for endocrinology. It enabled Page to make associations of various glands to each other such as the posterior pituitary opposes the adrenal cortex, the sex hormones can suppress an over active anterior pituitary gland, insulin can suppress an over active thyroid. It also enabled him to determine the correct dosage of each supplement. If the ratio improves you need it if it gets worse you don't need it -- a very valuable tool enabling the clinician to determine dosages as small as 1/50 grain thyroid, 1/1200 mg estrogen, 1/100mg testosterone, 1/800 mg of posterior pituitary, -- micro amounts compared to what is used in current therapy.

Would you say that the calcium / phosphorous ratio is somehow related to nutritional deficiency?

Page found that individuals who had degenerative and killer diseases had abnormal calcium/phosphorous ratios. The ratio of calcium to phosphorous on a controlled diet, and no medications and with no infection should be 2 1/2:1. He found that proper glandular supplementation can improve the ratio. With the proper ratio the body can often heal itself. The ratio is the guide in treatment and it enables the practitioner to make minute adjustments with glandular supplements. This ratio is never used in conventional medicine.

There seems to be a great deal of emphasis on phosphorous and especially calcium in Page’s work. What is it about them that make them vital to health?

These are merely indicators of glandular efficiency. However they are very sensitive tools to aid in determination of the proper supplements and the proper dosages. The ratio is never used by endocrinologists today because they are unaware of its importance.

What is the best way to get calcium and phosphorous into the body?

A good diet puts sufficient calcium and phosphorous into the body. There is no need to take additional calcium or phosphorous. With your glands working properly the calcium and phosphorous is utilized properly. With glands out of balance there can be excessive calcium relative to phosphorous and the excess gets deposited such as in cataracts and kidney stones. Sometimes the phosphorous is high relative to the calcium and calcium is drawn out of the teeth and bones. Proper glandular balance changes all that.

What kinds of supplements should people be taking to balance their body chemistry?

I recommend glandular correction first because this corrects so many things. Then digestive aids if needed and whole food supplements. All of this combined with the proper diet, the Page Fundamental Food Plan. Page used to say TDIE, "the diet is everything".

You had a relative who “Almost died due to bipolar and he was only diagnosed with clinical depression. It has been five years since his episode and he is perfectly fine with no breakthrough episodes and is a sophomore in college.” What do you think caused his bipolar disorder? What methods did he use to become healthy?

I have a relative who at age 14 attempted suicide with Tylenol and almost died. He had inflamed gums, high tooth decay rate and calcium phosphorous values of Ca 9.8 and phosphorous 4.2. He was only diagnosed as having clinical depression at one of the best psychiatric hospitals in the world. I measured him and found him to have a typical bipolar glandular pattern. This mistake in diagnosis goes on all the time. He was treated with posterior pituitary and whole pituitary. He is perfectly fine today and takes no psychiatric medications, now 6 years later. He has had no breakthrough episodes of mania or depression during that period. He is in college and doing quite well. I consider him cured.

Most people who are diagnosed with bipolar are prescribed antidepressants, mood stabilizers, anticonvulsants, and anti-psychotic medication. What are your views on prescription drugs such as Depakote, Seroquel, Topamax, and Wellbutrin?

I have several dental patients who are under this regimen. I view them as the walking wounded. They have dry mouths and high decay rates because of the medication. Plus the medication doesn't take care of the other complications of posterior pituitary gland deficiency such as frequency of ion, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, bone loss problems. I deal glandular balance should be achieved first along with any necessary counseling. Prescription drugs should only be a last resort after everything else has failed. Some bipolars seem to be content to collect disability and half--function in this zombie like state. I don't call that living. Others truly want to get better but don't know what to do. This is why I have become more public.

Can you tell us what you know about Linus Pauling and Orthomolecular Medicine?

Dr. Pauling used large dosages of vitamin C and I recommend it for colds and viruses. There is no good way to determine the correct dosage. Some say take it till you get diarrhea thats the correct dosage. Hal Huggins DDS know a lot about this and some dentists use it IV when taking out old amalgam fillings. I generally only use things that I can measure. Sometimes I use applied kinesiology. This can be a useful tool.

Any parting words for our readers?

Read Page's books and learn his system. I see patients often every six months, usually more than their physician. I see them degenerate before my eyes, I see how modern medicine is failing them. They are on a slippery slope.Diabetes, cancer, depression, manic depression, arthritis, osteoporosis, high blood pressure and other diseases can be prevented with proper glandular balance, nutrition and diet. Page's books are located at

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Age 69, of Pleasant Hills, passed away on Friday, May 13, 2011. He is survived by his sons Terry and Darren Forbes and their mother Phyllis Forbes, his twin brother Robert and brother Wayne. He is the son of the late Robert and Charlotte Forbes. Raymond was a graduate of Clairton High School and Washington and Jefferson College. He received his Doctorate in Dental Medicine from the University of Pittsburgh. Raymond was a lieutenant in the US Navy and served during the Vietnam War. He practiced Dental Medicine for many years in Braddock Hills, Pleasant Hills and Carrick. In addition to general dentistry, he had a keen interest in nutritional analysis and he incorporated that into his dental practice. He continued to practice in Pleasant Hills until the time of his death. A memorial service will be held on Saturday May 21, 2011 at 11 a.m. at the JEFFERSON MEMORIAL FUNERAL HOME INC., 301 Curry Hollow Road, Pleasant Hills. Interment to follow at Jefferson Memorial Park. -

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